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shelleybear From: shelleybear Date: August 11th, 2005 12:56 pm (UTC) (linkie thing)

Walmart....The Family Store

"Driver lived in Cleveland, where his parents own a small business, Lindeman said. Driver was a master carpenter with a 2-month-old son and was about halfway through taking flying courses to get his pilot's license, Lindeman said."

This is just so friggin' amazing.
I agree with those people who have said we should let Texas out of the country (and put a barbed wire fence around it, festooned with sharps and hazardous waste signs).
immlass From: immlass Date: August 11th, 2005 01:19 pm (UTC) (linkie thing)

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As a Texan, I find that extremely offensive.
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immlass From: immlass Date: August 11th, 2005 01:53 pm (UTC) (linkie thing)

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Those of us raised in the South know what bigotry looks like. That comment was bigotry, and it's not any prettier when practiced on the left than it is on the right.

If you want to be the better people you seem to think you are, act like it.
jmhm From: jmhm Date: August 11th, 2005 02:16 pm (UTC) (linkie thing)

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I'm not crazy about a lot of what's come out of Texas lately, but I'm also a proud citizen of the state that gifted the nation with the Rockefeller Drug Laws, so I'm an advocate of balance here.

Also quite a few of my heroes are Texas liberals. Tested in the fire, those folks are, and they can still laugh about it.

That's a very good thing.
immlass From: immlass Date: August 11th, 2005 02:58 pm (UTC) (linkie thing)

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And did I say, thanks for the support?
jmhm From: jmhm Date: August 11th, 2005 03:29 pm (UTC) (linkie thing)

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Um.

I hate it when this happens.

Anyway, I posted a comment too, which nobody seems to have read...
immlass From: immlass Date: August 11th, 2005 03:31 pm (UTC) (linkie thing)

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Yes, and thank you too, sweetie.

It's not your fault. It's like when your old Jim Crow auntie says something awful and you wince and tell her no. You can't stop the hating and you can't make people shut up about it. You can't even always make them shut up in your presence.
shelleybear From: shelleybear Date: August 11th, 2005 02:16 pm (UTC) (linkie thing)

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After all is said and done, this was a group of people.
Not single individual.
Further we get horror stories like this out of Texas frequently.
immlass From: immlass Date: August 11th, 2005 02:23 pm (UTC) (linkie thing)

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You get horror stories out of the ghetto and the barrio all the time too. People keep doing things and getting in trouble. Proves that those people who live over there are bad.

Thank you for enlightening me making my point.
shelleybear From: shelleybear Date: August 11th, 2005 03:08 pm (UTC) (linkie thing)

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This was reminiscent of a lynching.
A group of people participating in an event with others looking on paying little more then lip service (and, quite possibly cheering the killers on).
If there is a stereotype of Texans it had to come from somewhere.
Just as my mother was asked by a well-meaning waitress in a Texas diner
if she could see my mom's horns and tail (because she was always told Jews had them).
Now, strictly speaking I may have been out of line suggesting that Texas be cut lose from the union (and the wire and signs were maybe over the top), however, not to win a bet would I go to Texas for any reason.
And, I would certainly not vote for a Texan in federal politics.
Oh, and one last question....
How many terms did you folks put the Shrub in for as governor?
Just curious.
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shelleybear From: shelleybear Date: August 11th, 2005 03:20 pm (UTC) (linkie thing)

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Speaking as a member of a blue state.....
NEVER.
Next question?
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shelleybear From: shelleybear Date: August 11th, 2005 03:35 pm (UTC) (linkie thing)

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BEEP!
Give the man his box of "Rice-o-rony" and the "Jeopardy Home Game" and send him on his way.
Ventura was the reform party candidate.
As well, I can state that a number of people I know felt that he was (at the very least) a passable governor.
immlass From: immlass Date: August 11th, 2005 03:20 pm (UTC) (linkie thing)

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however, not to win a bet would I go to Texas for any reason.

This sir, is your loss, and not Texas'. Since we have our own bigots to deal with, I applaud your intention not to add yourself to them.

How many terms did you folks put the Shrub in for as governor?
Just curious.


Two. How many terms did the rest of y'all put him in for as president again?
shelleybear From: shelleybear Date: August 11th, 2005 03:22 pm (UTC) (linkie thing)

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Speaking as a proud citizen of a blue state....

NEVER (repeating an earlier comment).
One as governor was forgivable...
TWO?
Didn't you learn anything?
immlass From: immlass Date: August 11th, 2005 03:34 pm (UTC) (linkie thing)

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Actually, my home precinct in Texas voted against him four times. It went Nader in 2000. My neighbors and I didn't vote for him for dog catcher, and never would have.

Hey, did you vote for Norm Coleman?
shelleybear From: shelleybear Date: August 11th, 2005 03:37 pm (UTC) (linkie thing)

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Please, don't insult me.
I voted for Mondale.
It is unfortunate that Coleman won, but Franken is likely to beat him.
shelleybear From: shelleybear Date: August 11th, 2005 03:30 pm (UTC) (linkie thing)

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"When you grow up in the South, you know what hate looks like. You know what bigots look like, and you know when old people who can't get past their bigotry at least have the common decency to moderate what they say in public. When you're liberal and your accent doesn't come out that much--one reason I don't hide mine--you sometimes get people saying the ugly things they really think about Southerners and Texans."

Thanks.
And I am sincerely sorry you had to grow up somewhere that gave you such a good education in the nature of hatred and bigotry.

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anne_jumps From: anne_jumps Date: August 11th, 2005 03:56 pm (UTC) (linkie thing)

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From a liberal Georgian: Thanks.
jmhm From: jmhm Date: August 11th, 2005 03:59 pm (UTC) (linkie thing)

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Oh, it made me *furious* when Ann Coulter said that "her people" were in Queens...

Yo, lady, Archie Bunker died, remember?
From: (Anonymous) Date: August 11th, 2005 04:08 pm (UTC) (linkie thing)

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There's nothing redeeming about the South?

Did I say ANYTHING of the sort?
There are, honestly places in the south that I liked (and lived in).
Just as there are places in the north I wouldn't go near with a ten foot pole.
PLEASE, you want to raise these points, then make sure they are there.
Thank you.
shelleybear From: shelleybear Date: August 11th, 2005 04:13 pm (UTC) (linkie thing)

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That was unfair of me.
The opening quote came from immlass I should have said that.
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From: (Anonymous) Date: August 11th, 2005 04:21 pm (UTC) (linkie thing)

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Then you agree that I did not slam the entire south (which seems to be what your comment implied)?
shelleybear From: shelleybear Date: August 11th, 2005 04:26 pm (UTC) (linkie thing)

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Then you will point out to me where I slammed the entire south in any of these postings?
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shelleybear From: shelleybear Date: August 11th, 2005 04:38 pm (UTC) (linkie thing)

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Why, in that case I accept your apology for the statement, and I'm glad to see that you acknowledge that I did not slam the entire south.
That was very big of you.
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shelleybear From: shelleybear Date: August 11th, 2005 05:30 pm (UTC) (linkie thing)

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Actually, I think you are.
From: tlatoani Date: August 11th, 2005 02:46 pm (UTC) (linkie thing)

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Actually, we get horror stories like this out of these huge stores frequently. Seems like once a year, some poorly trained security guard at a megastore in Michigan negligently executes a shoplifter.

If you want to pin this on some large demographic group, pin it on mega-stores. Mom & Pop's Hardware never hurt anyone...
jmhm From: jmhm Date: August 11th, 2005 02:50 pm (UTC) (linkie thing)

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sigh.

I blame the failed Bush administration, of course.
shelleybear From: shelleybear Date: August 11th, 2005 04:17 pm (UTC) (linkie thing)

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To be fair about it, Bush isn't even a Texas native. He and his gang of murders and thieves came from Maine.

http://genealogy.about.com/od/presidents/p/george_bush.htm

But it seems like he has been adopted by Texas as their favorite son.
From: (Anonymous) Date: August 11th, 2005 03:18 pm (UTC) (linkie thing)

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It may be of interest to some of you that the Houston metropolitan area where this happened is like the fourth largest metro area in the country. The implication that some sort of "Texas" mind set is responsible for this is goofy. How about poor people with crappy jobs in a really big urban area? Not much different then the smaller Boston, Philly, SF, or San Diego. I've lived in Texas my whole life, and never managed to strap on a six-gun. Please check your bi-coastal snotty attitude at the door!
From: (Anonymous) Date: August 11th, 2005 03:21 pm (UTC) (linkie thing)

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As a Texan, I find that completely reasonable.
From: (Anonymous) Date: August 12th, 2005 01:59 am (UTC) (linkie thing)

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Hey!
I don't know. I have a love-hate relationship with Texas.
Actually just hate. Of course I'm from Arkansas, and we have a long history of hating Texas (something to do with Statehood, Sesquicentinnials, Football, Bill Clinton, and a couple of other long-standing issues).
No, I used to live in Dallas, Austin, San Antonio (which is really part of a very nice country a little bit to the south of us, Love that "La Semanna Allegre!").
Been to the beaches. Which are all covered in Oil Globules (nice environmentalism, otherwise they are in danger of looking like a beach in the Carribean).
Unfortunately for good Texans like Immlass, Wild Texas Jackasses have somehow made it a haven for a whole bunch of hateful close-minded people, and they seem to love to flock there. No, really, they're moving there in droves, buying Cowboy hats and SUV's, and learning how to hate down-home style. I don't think it is necessarily a problem with the natives, but just like a lot of young "hipsters" have moved to places like New York City, a lot of young shotgun-toting wannabes move to that poor state....like George W (and HW) Bush, for instance.
How else do you explain the Dirty Cheerleading bill, the Ban Gay Adoption bill, Tom DeLay, etc. I watch it very closely because I'm scared these people are going to pour across the borders into Arkansas, and we struggle enough with this sort of thing!
Yes, Houston is big. Don't forget, it is also hot. They built it in a swamp, after all, just like New Orleans. Unlike New Orleans, they paved the ENTIRE thing over. Which is also why it floods. A lot.
People from Minnesota (never been there) and New Jersey (used to live there) don't quite realize how hot. Remember the heat wave you were complaining about? Stretch that from late May to late September. I maintain that it makes people REALLY crazy. And mean.
I close with a simple (re)statement of fact. Heat makes people mean-crazy!
-Willow Anne
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