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Where's Bill?
As you know, Bill Donohue has been busy this week.

Generally, though, he's not too busy to have a rapid response to Catholic politicians who take political stances contrary to the teachings of the Church.

So it seems odd that he hasn't had anything to say about this
Former New York City Mayor Rudy Giuliani told CNN Wednesday he supports public funding for some abortions, a position he advocated as mayor and one that will likely put the GOP presidential candidate at odds with social conservatives in his party.

"Ultimately, it's a constitutional right, and therefore if it's a constitutional right, ultimately, even if you do it on a state by state basis, you have to make sure people are protected," Giuliani said in an interview with CNN's Dana Bash in Florida's capital city.

A video clip of the then-mayoral candidate issuing a similar declaration in 1989 in a speech to the "Women's Coalition" appeared recently on the Internet.

"There must be public funding for abortions for poor women," Giuliani says in the speech that is posted on the video sharing site YouTube. "We cannot deny any woman the right to make her own decisions about abortion."

When asked directly Wednesday if he still supported the use of public funding for abortions, Giuliani said "Yes."

"If it would deprive someone of a constitutional right," he explained, "If that's the status of the law, yes."

But the presidential candidate reiterated his personal opposition to the practice.

"I'm in the same position now that I was 12 years ago when I ran for mayor -- which is, personally opposed to abortion, don't like it, hate it, would advise that woman to have an adoption rather than abortion, hope to find the money for it," he said. "But it is your choice, an individual right. You get to make that choice, and I don't think society should be putting you in jail."

or in other words, the same position Senator Kerry holds. This is what Mr. Donohue had to say about that
Last September, the U.S. bishops released a statement, 'Faithful Citizenship: A Catholic Call to Political Responsibility.' In it, they said that abortion 'is never morally acceptable.' On November 21, 2002, Pope John Paul II approved a doctrinal note on 'The Participation of Catholics in Political Life' that was written by the Congregation of the Doctrine of the Faith. It said that 'lawmaking bodies have a grave and clear obligation to oppose any law that attacks human life' (emphasis in the original). Regarding conscience, it stressed that 'it must be noted that a well-formed Christian conscience does not permit one to vote for a political program or individual law which contradicts the fundamental contents of faith and morals.'

It's not as if Donohue hasn't had time to work on this. It seems as if seventeen years ought to have been enough to crystallize his thinking about it.

Nope. It appears as if the only thing Mr. Giuliani's done that's offended Mr. Dononue enough to write about it is appear in a Saturday Night Live sketch where catholic schoolgirls talk about necking. Odd, that, when Mr. Giuliani as mayor instituted government-paid partnership benefits for gay couples, and Mr. Donohue feels pretty strongly about that.

Not all Catholic organizations are as reticent as Mr. Donohue
"A Republican Party led by Rudy Giuliani would be a party of contempt for the pro-life position," the editors of the National Catholic Register said recently about the Roman Catholic candidate. "The bottom line: Republicans have made inroads into the Catholic vote for years because of the pro-life issue. If they put a pro-abortion politician up for president, the gains they've built for decades will vanish overnight."

Now, in fairness, Mr. Donohue doesn't have the option of threatening Mr. Giuliani with the loss of communion for his views, because Mr. Giuliani is barred from receiving communion by his remarriage, something Mr. Donohue generally finds disturbing.

Of course, Mrs. Clinton can't receive communion either, not being a Catholic and all, but that hasn't kept Mr. Donohue from commenting on important religious issues arising from her campaign
Catholic League president Bill Donohue commented today on Senator Hillary Clinton’s decision not to march in New York’s St. Patrick’s Day Parade on Saturday:

“Senator Clinton marched in New York’s St. Patrick’s Day Parade in 2000 when she was first running for the U.S. Senate. Because she was criticized by gays for doing so, she took a pass in 2001. [Note: gays have never been banned from the St. Patrick’s Day Parade in New York—they just can’t march under their own banner, anymore than pro-life Catholics can.] She marched in 2002 but did not march again until last year. Now that she’s running for president, and wants to court the vote of homosexuals from across the nation, she’s decided against marching in 2007.

“Kiera McCaffrey, the Catholic League’s director of communications, called her office today and spoke to Alex in the scheduling department who said that she will not be marching in the parade because ‘she will be traveling this weekend.’ This sounded so Clintonian to me that I asked Kiera to call back asking for the details. Alex transferred her to a man named Sam in the press office who said that Senator Clinton’s weekend plans had not yet been made. When asked specifically if she was going to march, he said he did not think so.

“It would be so refreshing if Senator Clinton would just tell the truth and say she doesn’t mind offending Irish Catholics, but does mind offending gays, lesbians, bisexuals, transgenders, et al. She marched last June in the Salute to Israel Parade, the Puerto Rican Day Parade and the Gay Pride Parade, and she marched in September in the West Indian Day Parade. But she’ll be traveling this weekend, though no one knows where’s she going.”

Um, yeah, they sort of did know. She had plans to be in Houston that day attending a conference of black churches.

You'd be amazed to hear that there was another prominent New York politician - a pro-gay pro-choice presidential candidate who brought his mistress to the parade that one time - who was also planning to miss the parade this year. He changed his mind on the sixteenth, the day after Mr. Donohue's press release about Senator Clinton.

Of course, there was no question that Mr. Giuliani was blowing off the parade in support of gay rights. He was avoiding the firefighters. No idea why Mrs. Giuliani decided to stay home.

Funny - Mr. Donohue usually likes writing about Mr. Giuliani.

Not a lot there about his views on abortion and gay rights.

Maybe he had the same researcher on the job who couldn't find Hillary's schedule.

I'm sure he'll get to it any time now. Fellows of the Heritage Foundation are responsible, non-partisan people.

Pastor Dan has more thoughts on this.
ahhhs. -- hmmm?
canonfire From: canonfire Date: April 5th, 2007 04:40 pm (UTC) (linkie thing)
If Donohue didn't have broader politics to keep him busy, he'd be railing against Vatican II 24/7
jmhm From: jmhm Date: April 5th, 2007 04:49 pm (UTC) (linkie thing)
What troubles me about Donahue is that he's transparently political about his outrage. If his religious beliefs are conservative, he has every right to speak out about them. I'm far less happy when he uses them to bash his political opponents for the same things he's giving his political allies a pass on.

Either he believes politicians should be held to a strict standard or he doesn't.

He clearly doesn't, which makes him a partisan political hack.
justjohn From: justjohn Date: April 5th, 2007 04:44 pm (UTC) (linkie thing)
The latest South Park features Donohue. I think it re-runs tonight.
jmhm From: jmhm Date: April 5th, 2007 04:51 pm (UTC) (linkie thing)
I heard. Apparently he has too.

I thought it was a parody at first. I couldn't quite believe that anyone was so lacking in self-awareness as to frame the phrase "Catholic League president Bill Donohue appeared as one of the cartoon characters, along with a figure of Pope Benedict XVI"

South Park mocked Bill Donohue! Oh, and the Pope. Also Jesus.
justjohn From: justjohn Date: April 5th, 2007 04:57 pm (UTC) (linkie thing)
... and the Hare Club For Men.

Jesus was a character (as he's been since Season One.)
justjohn From: justjohn Date: April 5th, 2007 05:00 pm (UTC) (linkie thing)
Oh, and it's a very funny episode. Fewer gross-out jokes than usual, and the pseudo-latin version of the song "Peter Cottontail" was worth the price of admission, or more!
jmhm From: jmhm Date: April 5th, 2007 05:17 pm (UTC) (linkie thing)
I'm afraid I'm not a huge fan of deliberate offense humor to begin with, but I always felt they were equal-opportunity offenders. Then Parker and Trey injected themselves into the '04 elections.

They have every right to be asshole griefers, but I don't think keeping the war going is a reasonable price to pay for the great joy of pissing on Sean Penn.

I suspect if we still had a draft they wouldn't either.
justjohn From: justjohn Date: April 5th, 2007 05:23 pm (UTC) (linkie thing)
They have every right to be asshole griefers, but I don't think keeping the war going is a reasonable price to pay for the great joy of pissing on Sean Penn.

Hey, everybody yearns to be like Madonna at least once in their life.

And no sane person would give them credit for "keeping the war going."
jmhm From: jmhm Date: April 5th, 2007 05:31 pm (UTC) (linkie thing)
I'm afraid I'm not as in touch with the range of opinions sane people hold as you clearly are. I am in touch with what they had to say in interviews about their movie, and what they had to say in interviews about their movie were uniformly contemptuous of people who were against the war.

That's really not something you can put out in an election year without having to own it.
justjohn From: justjohn Date: April 5th, 2007 05:39 pm (UTC) (linkie thing)
They were also openly contemptuous of the damned war and its if-you're-not-with-you're-agin-us mentality (which you seem to be sliding toward here.)

They also nailed Bush's major malfunctions with That's My Bush, within the first year of his administration. I imagine they're among the first people to depict George W. electrocuting a person just to impress his frat buddies.

Sorry that you forbid yourself from watching stuff that doesn't toe your personal party line.
jmhm From: jmhm Date: April 5th, 2007 05:50 pm (UTC) (linkie thing)
from a Reason</i> interview
Parker: A big key to us is that we both grew up in Colorado in the ’80s, and we wanted to be punk rockers. When you were a teenager in Colorado, the way to be a punk rocker was to rip on Reagan and Bush and what they were doing and talk about how everyone in Colorado’s a redneck with a gun and all this stuff. Then we went to the University of Colorado at Boulder, and everyone there agreed with us. And we were like, “Well, that’s not cool, everyone agrees with us.” And then you get to Los Angeles. The only way you can be a punk in Los Angeles is go to a big party and go, “You can say what you want about George Bush, but you’ve got to admit, he’s pretty smart.” People are like, “What the fuck did he just say? Get him out of here!”

Reason: So what is it that you hate about liberals? Can you boil it down to a consistent impulse, and then a consistent impulse among conservatives?

Parker: Wow, that’s a good question.

Stone: I’ve never thought about that.

Parker: To some degree, South Park has a simple formula that came from the very first episode [“The Spirit of Christmas,” which featured Jesus and Santa fighting over who owned the holiday]. There was Jesus on this side and there was Santa on this side, there’s Christianity here and there’s Christmas commercialism here, and they’re duking it out. And there are these four boys in the middle going, “Dude, chill out.” It’s really what Team America is as well: taking an extremist on this side and an extremist on that side. Michael Moore being an extremist is just as bad, you know, as Donald Rumsfeld. It’s like they’re the same person. It takes a fourth-grade kid to go, “You both remind me of each other.” The show is saying that there is a middle ground, that most of us actually live in this middle ground, and that all you extremists are the ones who have the microphones because you’re the most interesting to listen to, but actually this group isn’t evil, that group isn’t evil, and there’s something to be worked out here.

Micheal Moore is as bad as Donald Rumsfeld.

Except where one is a movie director and the other made a lot of people dead.

Assholes and griefers.
justjohn From: justjohn Date: April 5th, 2007 06:03 pm (UTC) (linkie thing)

These are show biz people.

Their self-appointed job is to provoke people into complaining about them, and through these complaints, their fame spreads.

In other words, they've just gotten you to repeat stuff they just made up on the spot to ensure publication. D'ya think Reason would have published it if they were boring? Do you think you would have read it (and, if somebody forwarded the link to you, would they have, and on down the line?)

I betcha if Guns & Ammo interviewed them, they'd say that all gun owners were closet pedophiles.
jmhm From: jmhm Date: April 5th, 2007 06:16 pm (UTC) (linkie thing)

Re: These are show biz people.

Their turning a war killing an awful lot of people (which they were at no risk of fighting) into a joke for money strikes me as even less attractive an idea than their doing it because peoples' lives were less important to them than the fact that liberals annoy them.

Lots of people supported the war. Some still do. They're allowed.

Most of them think it's serious.
justjohn From: justjohn Date: April 5th, 2007 06:25 pm (UTC) (linkie thing)

Re: These are show biz people.

So you're also against The Daily Show?
jmhm From: jmhm Date: April 5th, 2007 06:31 pm (UTC) (linkie thing)

Re: These are show biz people.

From: (Anonymous) Date: April 6th, 2007 04:47 am (UTC) (linkie thing)

Re: These are show biz people.

Their self-appointed job is to provoke people into complaining about them, and through these complaints, their fame spreads.

Hey, just like Bill Donohue. I don't waste my time watching him, either. I've got a million better things to do and life is short.

D. Sidhe
jmhm From: jmhm Date: April 6th, 2007 04:51 am (UTC) (linkie thing)

Re: These are show biz people.

writingortyping From: writingortyping Date: April 5th, 2007 05:16 pm (UTC) (linkie thing)
Perhaps he would like to hire "Mr. Hankey, The Christmas Poo" as his press liaison...
jmhm From: jmhm Date: April 5th, 2007 05:18 pm (UTC) (linkie thing)
See above re: South Park.
ahhhs. -- hmmm?